Heidegger

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From: Bernx at aol.com
To: heidegger at soca.ecu.edu.au
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Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Aristotle on suicide [was Heidegger Email List?]

In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:21:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rscheetz at cboss.com writes:
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From: Bernx at aol.com
To: heidegger at soca.ecu.edu.au
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Aristotle on suicide [was Heidegger Email List?]

In a message dated 7/30/2006 11:00:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rscheetz at cboss.com writes:
So, …not to quibble over semantics or technicalities, the point is that in
each case the person actively choses death, and achieves thereby translation
into higher being, from man to god.
Accordingly, suicide is the greatest assertton of the will to power insofar as thanatos is the via regia to final perfection.
Bernard
(bxbovasso)
I find heid’s formulation, resolute being towards death, the via crucis, superior to nietzsche’s. you are being ironic and that really makes the pt, -the clear absurdity of wtp analysis of jesus or soc, contra nietzsche.

I prefer to take “will to power” in the phenomenological sense;,i.e., without value or moral judgement of it. The telos of the will to power is final perfection, a state (of being) that is suprordinate to that of mortality. Final perfection, of course, is a surrogate term for whatever we call God (as a singulaity), not so much as to become the Divinity but attain proximity to it. This would include the so-called atheist. Heidegger notes: “The god-less thinking which must abandon the god of
philosophy, god as causa sui, is perhaps closer to the divine God. Here this means only: god-less thinking is more open to Him than onto-theo-logic would like to admit.” (Idenity and Difference, 1957) since suicide is the greatest power known to humankind it must stand in equivalence to its goal, the final perfection which is the original (ur) perfection known as the first day (of creation) in Genesis, or what the alchemist Gehard Dorn refered to as the unus mundus, the undifferentiated unity standing outside the dasien reality of time and space and its particularities “out there.” The final qua ur perfection is thus as state of pure potential, a facultus praeformandi and that is to say, Being on the verge of Becoming. Thanatos reverses the process in what Heidegger would call the “step back” to Being more often realized as the impatience of the suicide to achieve unity with this unus mundus.
Sincerely;
Bernard
(bxbovasso)

Bernard,

…jesus is certainly a perfect jesus and socrates, a perfect socrates, but to collapse them into the term “Perfection” almost entirely vacates meaning, no? why does god have to be unitary?

isn’t nietzsche’s WtP autotelic?

did jesus or soc employ suicide as a power? or was it rather their resolve to authenticity inexorably entailed suicide?

why is the undifferentiated primal superior to the differentiated temporal? why not both?

bob

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