Heidegger

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[mailto:heidegger-bounces@soca.ecu.edu.au]Namens allen scult
Verzonden: maandag 10 juli 2006 21:49
Aan: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
Onderwerp: Re: Broken Hills

>on 7/7/06 10:51 PM, allen scult at allen.scult at DRAKE.EDU wrote:
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>>>> I was walking in a most beautiful part of Iowa, known as the Loess
>>>> Hills. I was resting the side of one of the hills looking
>>>> down/on/over a large undulating expanse of meadow, surrounded by four
>>>> or five more of the hills. I was completely alone, no sound except
>>>> what was there, rising up from the earth and down from the sky. I
>>>> was profoundly happy.
>>>>
>>>> But after too short a time, I was moved to think being happy: Where
>>>> was it headed? What lay beyond it? I wasn’t as happy thinking being
>>>> happy as I was being happy, but that’s what I was moved to do. “Is
>>>> that crazy or what?” piped up one of the voices that connects me to
>>>> common sayings. “No it’s philosophy,” another answered,” philosophy
>>>> as a way of life, or as Ortega y Gasset has it, non-life.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, no one can stand being happy for very long. Philosophers
>>>> just seem especially insistent about moving away from it, to see it.
>>>>
>>>> Another way of looking at/putting it, How much happiness does a
>>>> person need? At that moment, I think I was as happy as I’ll ever be.
>>>> “A good day to die,” as the Man said.
>>>>
>>>> Regards from the hills.
>>>>
>>>> Allen
>>>
>>> So, Allen of the hills, thinking happiness is not itself a particularly
>>> happy thing, that thinking happiness puts a limit on happiness, that that
>>> limit is temporal (amongst other things) — being happy lasts for ever in
>>> the moment (augenblick) — thinking happy thinks a telos, thinks a genesis,
>>> frames the happy, thus sort of ends the happy (as happy in itself, as being
>>> forever, as be-ing…). And, perhaps this is the case with
>>>everythink [sic],
>>> that philosophy is thinking be-ing which is not be-ing but thinking…
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>> So Michael, the mood-altering effect of philosophy is to bring me
>> down, as we used to say. To remind me of the relentless constancy of
>> the descent into death. Philosophy as practice in dying, taking us,
>> perhaps prematurely (though, in being towards death, it’s never too
>> early), to the end point, which is also the bottom point, though
>> none-the-less the telos, as you put it, of basic Aristotelian
>> striving. There’s no place to go. Only a place to return to, in the
>> “how” as Heidegger put it. A moment of being happy turns into a
>> thinking, a form of preservation, safekeeping, for the sake of a
>> return to its “how,” wherever, in time, that might lead.
>>
>> When things cool down, let’s get to Parmenides and Anaximander.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Allen
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>>> but
>>> for Parmenides thinking and be-ing are collected together, that thinking
>>> be-ing is the only (good) think to think. Somehow this unleashing be-ing
>>> from the eternal moment (putting on limits) belongs to thinking, and this
>>> has something to do with Heidegger’s take on Anaximander’s fragment, but
>>> it’s too damn hot to go into that right now while I’m just being hot…
>>>
>>> regards from the flats of the River Stour Estuary
>>>
>>> michaelP
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> happiness is dissolution- as any heroin addict will tell you- and you can
>have as much as you want as long as you’ve got money. I Overdosed once and
>was ‘dead’ for about six minutes- and I’d never been so happy. Kinda pissed
>off that I was bought back actually. Realize none of this has to do with
>Heidegger and BT, but just thought I’d add my two cents. pk
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Now that you’ve brought it up, let’s try and get this straight (so to
speak). I think the actual being-there of drug experiences is as
there as any other mode of being there. But the change, the all
important change of mood, the transition from one way of being
conscious to another brought on my drugs, I don’t think these can
serve as the basis for thinking happiness, or anything else for that
matter. Though you choose to take the drug, once taken, it takes you
somewhere else from where you are. Doesn’t matter how near or far
you’re taken, your thinking mind doesn’t power the change. It can
only respond to it.

Now mood changes also come upon us, but the progression from one mood
to another is not perceptible in the same way as a drug induced
change is, and so the phenomenology must be of a different order.

Regards,

Allen

Drugs, the internet maybe are substitutes for traditional order,
‘world’. If it is true that logos is primarily dimension, then
already Heidegger’s expositions of mood and Befindlichkeit - now
common everyday notions - indicate a change of dimension, during
which man is homeless. If, secondly, it is true as well that physis
is involved in this proces such that it vanishes, then the search
for ‘being at home always and anywhere’ might be the same for anyone..
Also Hölderlin’s word of Dionysos, who even during the night
(of nihilism) brings the old trace of the gods, comes to mind.

every time again it appears that the old notions and their order
are not capable of *saying* anything anymore, something which
Heidegger experienced also after BT. Only if that comes thruogh,
new ways appear necessary.

very readable is also Ernst Jünger on drugs in Annäherungen/Aproximations,
who treats the different drugs geologically AND historically, better:
he sees in the transition from history to ?? where we now are in, also
a geological shift. Esp. Mexico will strike back. I read today, on ABC,
of a psilocybin experiment. Castaneda remains hot.

cheers
rene

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