Heidegger

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[mailto:heidegger-bounces@soca.ecu.edu.au]Namens bob scheetz
Verzonden: vrijdag 30 juni 2006 16:01
Aan: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
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From: “Bakker, R.B.M. de”
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besides rene , why arent your posts subject to the same nihlism, text is
nothing if not organnization, the phenomenological ‘pureland’ that you
heideggerrians subscribe as a aprior is bollocks! It could be minutley taken
apart by a talented post-structuralist thinker (at the risk of catching JUDS
disease). pk

You are right, that i’m no exception. But once one knows that, and
insofar
one knows, one is warned, and that should make the difference. Otherwise
philosophy would be impossible and everydayness absolute. But we are
already
talking of it, so it must have been shown to us already too.
It looks a lot like Socrates being the wisest, because only he knows that
he knows nothing. The difference though is, that to all metaphysics
clarity
is and remains the ideal, and unclarity a way to clarity. (Cusanus: de
docta
ignorantia. Kant: selfrestriction by reason) But this is not so in
Heidegger
(also not in Nietzsche), and in our era, where unclarity, ambiguousness
are
to be seen as essential, and not merely a provisional phase, if one wants
to
‘know’ anything. Now too much light is the danger, because outshining
thought
by self-evidence.
Of course, this has not been unknown in fields besides philosophy. Lately
i found a saying by the French moraliste Vauvenargues: Clarity is the bad
conscience of the philosophers. But now that the harmony of metaphysics
and
other approaches is over with, now that everyone is *directly* hit by
what-is,
the question of darkness-light (occlusion-appearing, Abwesen-Anwesen) is
to be
brought down to the “hidden dephts of Dasein”. (GA29/30). Spreading light
here
would rob one precisely of the hidden depth, and that means of Dasein
itself.
So, what is to be achieved is finding ways to reach the hidden, and it is
THEREFORE
that Heraclitus a.o. are referred to, because one needs another sort of
logos and
legein than the absolute logic which is the result of thinking since.

but i agree that the sickness consisting in the claim to be right is
looming
always and everywhere, so that when one has become tired of darkness, the
urge
to be right claims its rights again. It’s just that i am no longer
worried by it,
when others pose that claim to me. These are just denying what goes for
everyone,
because that would hit them as well.

eh, see?

regards
rene

rene,
yours/heid’s “Hidden” is structurally identical with Allen’s YHWH, as
well as Augustine’s, Luther’s, Kierkegaard’s, …, the abyss, the mysterium
tremendum; and this is understood and accepted precisely as you represent it
beyond all metafisics; but i still don’t see why such a state of affairs
logically necessitates the nihilation of metafisics.
That man has metafisical needs, e.g., morality/meaning/light, beyond the
spurious ‘good and evil’ of will to power, seems phenomenologically and
existentially incontravertible. And to say that positing meaning in
morality necessarily precludes atunement to the possibility of new meaning
in ‘the hidden’ seems extravagantly willful. The tradition has 3 millennia
of testimony to the contrary, …that indeed it is precisely the metafisical
urge that atunes to the mystery, the darkness, God. And the performative
contradiction Peter points out goes deeper than the provisional
embarrassment you would have it, …proof of the a priori metafisical
structure even in those denying metafisics. You seek meaning, not nothing.

I evade meaning on insufficient ground. We have had 200 years of conferring
meaning to … the meaningless. THAT is nihilism and hybris : silently
accepting that-which-is as meaningless. And still conforming to the metaphysical
subject notion: the already fore-lying (makeable world), and all its implicit
meanings, while real subjective activity is no longer needed, to get the
autonomous proces going. Is it merely incidental that all claims are breaking
down because of inner contradiction? Or does this indeed point to a dimension
we are in, and of which already Hegel proved, that common sense cannot deal with
it, without uninterruptedly contradicting itself. Well, it has been common sense
which has revolutionized the world, after having being told. And we still so
immersed in that gift that we will still have to begin realizing what happens here,
writes Heidegger. But that does not help the conferring of meaning one inch.
So that we, one way or the other, have reached a limit, after having denied such
for a very long time, esp. since the US, under Roosevelt, destroyed Europe and
more with the help of Europe’s meaningful notions.
To blame Bush solely, means sticking to the possibility itself, but i believe that
conferring meaning on the basis of lies and deceit cannot lead to anything good.
And they are getting more conspicious.

Suppose this line is impossible, has become ever more impossible, and all
that is able to become meaningful dependent on an even more original conception
of reality, of beings-as-a-whole, in which we are already immersed, more original
than has been brought by the best of man’s thinking sofar, suppose that is what
metaphysics and its completion in Hegel, Marx and Nietzsche have to tell us, and
what the towering inferno’s, actual and to-come, even more the terror they are
inspiring, are telling, does then not at last the question become necessary,
how metaphysical meaning has been, is possible AT ALL? It is arbitrary to discuss
metaphysics and sthing more original than metaphysics, as long as we do not
know what it is. “Was ist Metaphysik?”. There has been one, who, incomprehensibly,
did succeed to reach this realm of questioning, but we in the rear are not ready to
acknowledge that which is akin to metaphysics itself: that there are some onelings
necessary where this metaphysics is performed, because thought is jemeinig, also
the thought of Marx. Precisely that is the stone which hurts the idea of equality,
the idea of mediocrity which pulls everything ever more downwards. Is it good to
try to raise the ever more vulgar, obsessed, malicious? Good and solid people grow,
they cannot be raised. Once more: the pointer to ground and dimension, and the pressure
of heat, pollution and war, which, at the cost of greater contradiction, are conferred
to others in space and time. It just can’t be, and all one can do is apparently waiting.

regards
rene

bob

Bob,
Are those the alternatives?

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