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Van: heidegger-bounces at soca.ecu.edu.au namens bob scheetz
Verzonden: vr 2-6-2006 16:03
Aan: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
Onderwerp: Re: das tausendjährige Wetter
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Hölderlin, who is in train of becoming, is always referring to the false
quest for
immortality, the Christ plague, the claimers and disclaimers, bad prayer in
any sense.
>From The Rhine, “from under cool ivy”:
………
They though own sufficient immortality
of themselves the gods, and if they
the heavenly need one thing,
then it is heroes and men
and mortals besides. For because
the most blessed do not feel of themselves,
it is necessary, if saying such
is allowed, that, on behalf of the gods
another feel participatively,
him they need; however their bar (Ge-richt)
is that his own house breaks
down he and scorn the dearest
as the enemy and buries father and child
under the ruins,
when one wants to be like them and not
bear unsimilar, the gusher.
who would like that for a change?
that is sthing else than nuclear and financial
christendom, which will go on choosing
Barrabam.
yes, it’s rousseau, tom paine, robespierre, marx, nietzsche, levine’, ubl,
….jesus. so now, rene, you agree the fourfold needs the dialectical
aversion?
bob
In order to remain entangled in it, yes, then it should do that, Bob.
But it is very close to it, to dialectics - a Kehre is in the play - ,
and if your intuition is for the dialectical and nor for prolongation
of postmodern sequences, then we are talking, maybe from two
different sides towards … what is common to us, it’s one world, or isn’t it?
The nasty thing with Heidegger is that it is indeed utterly estranging if one
is not already off beforehand. Well let’s stop interpreting him, and
change ourselves. We can’t be left alone totally, that’s just hybris.
It’s global - the destiny of the West is now the world’s: this is not a
proposition, still rather a Nietzschean outcry. It makes no difference
how you turn it around - as the Unwesen it aks for engagement.
Hegel: die Arbeit des Begriffs.
(but Begriffe have become illusory, which makes us more dependent
on them than ever, and that’s why we all tolerate this mess which cannot
but become bigger. Apparently there is something fundamental missing:
indeed: a fundament. And fundament is not claimable without contradiction,
Hegel again.
But even stranger than all this is that Hölderlin is not accepted. And Heidegger
a Nazi. Has ther ever been such a consciousless intelligence? With certainty: no.
best
rene
rene
Wer war es, der zuerst
Die Liebesbande verderbt
Und Stricke von ihnen gemacht hat?
Dann haben des eigenen Rechts
Und gewiß des himmlischen Feuers
Gespottet die Trotzigen, dann erst
Die sterblichen Pfade verachtend
Verwegnes erwählt
Und den Göttern gleich zu werden getrachtet.
Es haben aber an eigner
Unsterblichkeit die Götter genug, und bedürfen
Die Himmlischen eines Dings,
So sinds Heroen und Menschen
Und Sterbliche sonst. Denn weil
Die Seligsten nichts fühlen von selbst,
Muß wohl, wenn solches zu sagen
Erlaubt ist, in der Götter Namen
Teilnehmend fühlen ein andrer, teilnehmend vs.
Untheilnehmende
Den brauchen sie; jedoch ihr Gericht
Ist, daß sein eigenes Haus
Zerbreche der und das Liebste
Wie den Feind schelt’ und sich Vater und Kind
Begrabe unter den Trümmern,
Wenn einer, wie sie, sein will und nicht
Ungleiches dulden, der Schwärmer.
