[epistemology] Discovery vs Disclosure
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>In a message dated 10/27/2007 8:46:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>jPolanik@nc.rr.com writes:
>
>Georges Metanomski wrote:
>
>> No being _is_ without showing itself _as_
>> such-and-such
>> =============
>> G:
>> Some people say that “being” (noun) is an illegal
>> and meaningless inflection of the copula “be”.
>>
>> Still, how would an Arab or a Hebrew say “No being
>> _is_
>> without showing itself…” when their languages lack
>> the verb “to be”?
>
>a good question Georges; but, remember that this comment occurred in a
>context (Heideggerian philosophy) in which there are reasonable grounds
>for saying that ‘being’ is used as the root predicate (as defined by
>Axiom 0 with which you are familiar).
>
>[Axiom 0: there is a predicate, P, such that: for any x that is, x is P.
>further analysis: http://what-am-i.net/lor_foundation.htm]
>
>in any event, Georges, you seem to have some knowledge of these
>languages; so, tell us, in all these centuries, has no one found a way
>to translate ’si fallor, sum’ or ‘cogito; ergo, sum’ into arabic and hebrew?
>
>Joe
>
>Joe:
>The fallacy here is to confound “thinking” with “experience,” the
>speculation that Descartes didn’t know the difference between
>thinking and experience and “really” intended *experience* when he
>used the term *cogito.* The evidence to this is the lack of *is*
>and the predicate of being in Hebrew and Arabic that is active when
>experience rather than thinking serves consciousness. As a result
>there are some 5000 separate words in Arabic to indicate “camel” in
>all its possible states simply because the predicate of being is
>abscent linguistically qua consciousness. “Thinking” remained
>dormant and whose first signs of expression was that of the
>pre-Socratic philosophers and *physiologoi.* Hence, *prosus*
>(”right on” as the extention of logic to abstraction) displaced the
>mode of mythopoeic expression whose ground was experience.
>”Thinking” was thus a Greek invention epitomized as Nous or world
>mind, qua Anaxagoras, to accommodate the new found process of
>”thinking” and the displacement of mythopoeic “experience” whose
>emphasis is in feeling and sensation. But it is only in the mode of
>thinking that logical abstraction is possible if not displacing
>experience (to this day!). Thus, it is sort of cluckish to assume
>the Cartesian cogito was really intended to express experience, more
>so that the philosopher was not *thinking* in either Hebrew or
>Arabic. It is not possible to *experience* the predicate of being
>although that seems to be the intent of the notion of dasein whose
>attempt is to compromise the exclusivness of *Thinking* and find
>onself “out there” in the world of feeling, sensation and that old
>time experience couched as it is in mythopoeic experience. Indeed,
>the idea of dasein incomfortably has its ground and mode of
>abstraction in *prosus.*
>Bernard
What a fascinating question is this business of the Hebrew for “Being.”
One way of going at it is the poet’s version of the problem,
according to Heidegger: “Where word leaves off no thing may be.” And
Hebrew leaves off before getting to the verb “to be.” But perhaps
the leaving off is a way of making sense of the relationship between
Being and Word. By leaving off at this point, the Hebrew language
declares, “Beyond here, there is no word.” This declaration, of
course, is serious and irrevocable. For Hebrew, that is. But as
Derrida said, “I have but one language, and it is not mine.”
So where does all this leaving off leave us? Well, if we are the
Hebrew language, if our language is Hebrew, then we have to think
Being without hope of a word, of Being becoming a word. But as soon
as Heidegger spoke Sein to me, I should say “showed me” Sein (and I
was SAVED, brotha) that is showed me how to think Sein, it wasn’t
long before whenever I read Sein, I knew as much about it as he did.
Probably more.
I think the better part of Wisdom is to go from there. What’s the
sense in endlessly quibbling with what we already Know?!
Regards,
Allen Threesheets
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