Heidegger

Before any of you “vote with your feet” why not one of you start a thread
that has to do with Heidegger and his philosophical postion. If I may, I would
like to see some discussion of Heidegger’s relationship to Parmenides and then
Herakleitos who stands counter to Parmenides.Much of this may be found in
Heidegger’s *Introduction to Metaphysicss,* Chapter 4, *The Limitation of Being.*
Bernard
bxbovasso)

In a message dated 7/28/2006 12:48:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kmschess at msn.com writes:
re: some reasoned heidegger dialog:

This may sound harsh, but having to wade through all the trash that is
posted (re: uninformed opinions about global politics, Heidegger diatribes,
expletive punctuated rants etc) makes reading this list a real pain, and
detracts from anything serious that is posted.

Most people vote with their feet — the quality goes downhill, they leave
&/or stop posting. So unless the editor does something about quality
control, the forum degenerates to the lowest common denominator.

I agree with Kevin, and unless things change I’ll also vote with my feet –
move on.

Civilized life (however defined) requires rules.

That’s a fact.

Mark Hanson

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>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:53:47 +0800 (WST)
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> 1. Heidegger Email List? (Kevin Winters)
> 2. Re: Heidegger Email List? (Kenneth Johnson)
> 3. Re: Heidegger Email List? (michaelP)
> 4. RE: Heidegger Email List? (Kevin Winters)
> 5. Re: Heidegger Email List? (michaelP)
> 6. death (peter k)
> 7. Re: have Americans any decency? (peter k)
>
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:25:54 -0700
>From: “Kevin Winters”
>Subject: Heidegger Email List?
>To: “‘Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger’”
>
>Message-ID:
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>Everyone,
>
>I was hoping that this would be a decent forum in which to calmly discuss
>the philosophy of Martin Heidegger. Apparently I was wrong, as the vast
>majority of topics/discussions/rants are either diatribes against Heidegger
>that do not engender discussion or non-Heideggerian topics. With that,
>would
>you please remove me from this email list. Should the above change in the
>future, please let me know and I would be glad to join in.
>
>Kevin Winters
>
>
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: heidegger-bounces at soca.ecu.edu.au [mailto:heidegger-
> > bounces at soca.ecu.edu.au] On Behalf Of peter k
> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:54 AM
> > To: heidegger at soca.ecu.edu.au
> > Subject: have Americans any decency?
> >
> > To all concerned, what is now happenning in the middle east is morally
> > repuugnant and quite obviously wrong. America, the superpower that is
> > supposed to represent ‘freedom’ and ‘human rights’ is purposively
>driving
> > what is becoming a war of annihilation. The ‘idea’ of Israel as a
>country
> > only for Jews is racial politics at its worst. Indigenous peoples MUST
>be
> > allowed to occupy and vote in their own country. Being European and
> > belonging to (what seems to me) a wierd Judaeic cult, that has at its
> > center
> > a concept of ‘race’ (equally as repugnant as NAZI Aryan ideology, and
> > equally as flawed) does not, I repeat NOT give you the right to steal
> > someone else’s country. The Holocaust does not NOT justify the idea of
> > ‘Israel’. Zionism has its roots planted in history long before the
> > holocaust
> > took place, and is no more than wealthy Europeans and Americans stealing
> > someone elses country, and enslaving its idigenous inhabitants. Also,
>you
> > do
> > NOT have the right to annihilate another race to ensure the survival of
> > your
> > own. The fact that Australian soldiers spent ten long years fighting
>what
> > was obviously (obvious to anyone but a thick American) a really stupid
>war
> > in Vietnam now makes me want to puke. I say again, have you people
> > (Americans) no decency? It is always easy to do the ‘right’ (moral)
>thing,
> > but ‘hard’ to do the wrong (immoral) thing, yet you yanks seem to have
>it
> > down to a fine art- like sucking cock for money. England is equally
> > spineless. I can assure you the majority of Australian would like to see
> > the
> > Israeli’s taught a lesson in CASUALTIES. It only remains now to see
> > whether,
> > France and Germany, (hamstrung by the ‘holocaust’) have the guts to to
>do
> > something. Must we now turn to Russia and China to do what is right. The
> > Islamic world MUST be returned to the Islamic semitic peoples to re-
> > balance
> > the ‘world order’ even if this means the end of Israel and the
> > repatriation
> > of its loony violent population back to Europe and America from whence
>it
> > came. I say again, to any person with any sense of decency this is
>fucking
> > obvious.
> >
> > pk
> >
> > p.s to anyone whom happens not to agree with me - ‘fuck you’
> > _______________________________________________
> > heidegger mailing list

> > heidegger at soca.ecu.edu.au
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:24:43 -0700
>From: Kenneth Johnson
>Subject: Re: Heidegger Email List?
>To: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
>
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> >Everyone,
> >
> >I was hoping that this would be a decent forum in which to calmly discuss
> >the philosophy of Martin Heidegger. Apparently I was wrong, as the vast
> >majority of topics/discussions/rants are either diatribes against
>Heidegger
> >that do not engender discussion or non-Heideggerian topics. With that,
>would
> >you please remove me from this email list. Should the above change in the
> >future, please let me know and I would be glad to join in.
>
>
>I agree Kevin, the quality of discussion here is abysmal - -
>
>To unsubscribe just look up at your header and click on the unsubscribe
>link.
>
>Otherwise and all, have a happy life.
>
>
>Kenneth
>
>
>——————————
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:08:22 +0100
>From: “michaelP”
>Subject: Re: Heidegger Email List?
>To: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
>
>Message-ID:
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”US-ASCII”
>
>Kevin:
>
> >>Everyone,
> >>
> >>I was hoping that this would be a decent forum in which to calmly
>discuss
> >>the philosophy of Martin Heidegger. Apparently I was wrong, as the vast
> >>majority of topics/discussions/rants are either diatribes against
>Heidegger
> >>that do not engender discussion or non-Heideggerian topics. With that,
>would
> >>you please remove me from this email list. Should the above change in
>the
> >>future, please let me know and I would be glad to join in.
>
>Ken’th:
>
> > I agree Kevin, the quality of discussion here is abysmal - -
> >
> > To unsubscribe just look up at your header and click on the unsubscribe
>link.
> >
> > Otherwise and all, have a happy life.
>
>Kevin and Ken’th (as you know), the list hasn’t always been this dire; when
>I joined almost a decade ago, and for a few years, it was almost entirely
>to
>do with Heidegger’s philosophy and at least philosophy, and was very lively
>with dozens of posts and many threads running every day. But a certain
>’element’ has entered the list in order (it appears) to do nothing but rant
>against both Heidegger and philosophy or at best just opinionate concerning
>current events in a pseudo-journalistic manner. I haven’t wanted to write
>seriously to the list for months and that is so depressing for me because
>it
>used to be such an important part of my life (sad I know…).
>
>But anyway, the only way for the quality and quantity to resume is for us
>(who actually want to say something concerning Heidegger’s thinking that
>isn’t slamming and banging away like chinashopbulls at Heidegger, thinking,
>jews, muslims, amerika… whatever {philosophy is never ever slamming doors
>in faces, but opening up to opening up}) to restart genuine and prolific
>discussions of Heidegger’s thinking, fundamentally ignoring (not like me
>just now: mea culpa) the distracting idiots with their spoilation noise
>completely, leaving them to scream at/by themselves. What say you?
>
>So, goodnight friends and foes alike.
>
>michaelP
>
>——————————
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:29:37 -0700
>From: “Kevin Winters”
>Subject: RE: Heidegger Email List?
>To: “‘Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger’”
>
>Message-ID:
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”windows-1250″
>
>Michael,
>
>Then why don’t we remove the ‘troll’ ‘element’ from the list? If they only
>do harm to it, why do we allow them to continue?
>
>Kevin Winters
>
>
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: heidegger-bounces at soca.ecu.edu.au [mailto:heidegger-
> > bounces at soca.ecu.edu.au] On Behalf Of michaelP
> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:08 PM
> > To: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
> > Subject: Re: Heidegger Email List?
> >
> > Kevin:
> >
> > >>Everyone,
> > >>
> > >>I was hoping that this would be a decent forum in which to calmly
> > discuss
> > >>the philosophy of Martin Heidegger. Apparently I was wrong, as the
>vast
> > >>majority of topics/discussions/rants are either diatribes against
> > Heidegger
> > >>that do not engender discussion or non-Heideggerian topics. With that,
> > would
> > >>you please remove me from this email list. Should the above change in
> > the
> > >>future, please let me know and I would be glad to join in.
> >
> > Ken’th:
> >
> > > I agree Kevin, the quality of discussion here is abysmal - -
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe just look up at your header and click on the
>unsubscribe
> > link.
> > >
> > > Otherwise and all, have a happy life.
> >
> > Kevin and Ken’th (as you know), the list hasn’t always been this dire;
> > when
> > I joined almost a decade ago, and for a few years, it was almost
>entirely
> > to
> > do with Heidegger’s philosophy and at least philosophy, and was very
> > lively
> > with dozens of posts and many threads running every day. But a certain
> > ‘element’ has entered the list in order (it appears) to do nothing but
> > rant
> > against both Heidegger and philosophy or at best just opinionate
> > concerning
> > current events in a pseudo-journalistic manner. I haven’t wanted to
>write
> > seriously to the list for months and that is so depressing for me
>because
> > it
> > used to be such an important part of my life (sad I know…).
> >
> > But anyway, the only way for the quality and quantity to resume is for
>us
> > (who actually want to say something concerning Heidegger’s thinking that
> > isn’t slamming and banging away like chinashopbulls at Heidegger,
> > thinking,
> > jews, muslims, amerika… whatever {philosophy is never ever slamming
> > doors
> > in faces, but opening up to opening up}) to restart genuine and prolific
> > discussions of Heidegger’s thinking, fundamentally ignoring (not like me
> > just now: mea culpa) the distracting idiots with their spoilation noise
> > completely, leaving them to scream at/by themselves. What say you?
> >
> > So, goodnight friends and foes alike.
> >
> > michaelP
> > _______________________________________________
> > heidegger mailing list
> > heidegger at soca.ecu.edu.au
> > http://www.soca.ecu.edu.au/mailman/listi…
> > http://heidegger.an-archos.com/
> >
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>——————————
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:19:14 +0100
>From: “michaelP”
>Subject: Re: Heidegger Email List?
>To: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
>
>Message-ID:
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”windows-1250″
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > Then why don’t we remove the ‘troll’ ‘element’ from the list? If they
>only
> > do harm to it, why do we allow them to continue?
> >
> > Kevin Winters
>
>Kevin, I think the only “we” that can remove suspected trolls is our
>Malcom;
>my main point is that it’s better to let them blow off in their own faces
>rather than for ‘us’ to go troll hunting; their noise would become
>inaudible
>if “we” get on with good quality and quantity philosophical discourse
>concerned with the thinking of Heidegger and philosophical thinking in
>general. For instance, we could begin with what the philosophical
>relationship between philosophical thinking and the reportage (if not the
>’actual’ events eventuating) of ‘current’ ‘news’ might look like if faced
>squarely without simplistic position-taking, or even if it is possible at
>all… what do you think?
>
>regards
>
>michaelP
>
> >> —–Original Message—–
> >> From: heidegger-bounces at soca.ecu.edu.au [mailto:heidegger-
> >> bounces at soca.ecu.edu.au] On Behalf Of michaelP
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 2:08 PM
> >> To: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
> >> Subject: Re: Heidegger Email List?
> >>
> >> Kevin:
> >>
> >> >>Everyone,
> >> >>
> >> >>I was hoping that this would be a decent forum in which to calmly
> >> discuss
> >> >>the philosophy of Martin Heidegger. Apparently I was wrong, as the
>vast
> >> >>majority of topics/discussions/rants are either diatribes against
> >> Heidegger
> >> >>that do not engender discussion or non-Heideggerian topics. With
>that,
> >> would
> >> >>you please remove me from this email list. Should the above change in
> >> the
> >> >>future, please let me know and I would be glad to join in.
> >>
> >> Ken’th:
> >>
> >> > I agree Kevin, the quality of discussion here is abysmal - -
> >> >
> >> > To unsubscribe just look up at your header and click on the
>unsubscribe
> >> link.
> >> >
> >> > Otherwise and all, have a happy life.
> >>
> >> Kevin and Ken’th (as you know), the list hasn’t always been this dire;
> >> when
> >> I joined almost a decade ago, and for a few years, it was almost
>entirely
> >> to
> >> do with Heidegger’s philosophy and at least philosophy, and was very
> >> lively
> >> with dozens of posts and many threads running every day. But a certain
> >> ‘element’ has entered the list in order (it appears) to do nothing but
> >> rant
> >> against both Heidegger and philosophy or at best just opinionate
> >> concerning
> >> current events in a pseudo-journalistic manner. I haven’t wanted to
>write
> >> seriously to the list for months and that is so depressing for me
>because
> >> it
> >> used to be such an important part of my life (sad I know…).
> >>
> >> But anyway, the only way for the quality and quantity to resume is for
>us
> >> (who actually want to say something concerning Heidegger’s thinking
>that
> >> isn’t slamming and banging away like chinashopbulls at Heidegger,
> >> thinking,
> >> jews, muslims, amerika… whatever {philosophy is never ever slamming
> >> doors
> >> in faces, but opening up to opening up}) to restart genuine and
>prolific
> >> discussions of Heidegger’s thinking, fundamentally ignoring (not like
>me
> >> just now: mea culpa) the distracting idiots with their spoilation noise
> >> completely, leaving them to scream at/by themselves. What say you?
> >>
> >> So, goodnight friends and foes alike.
>
>——————————
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:33:12 +0800
>From: peter k
>Subject: death
>To:
>Message-ID:
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”US-ASCII”
>
>I was dead for five minutes once, and I have just worked out what ‘it’ is;
>death is the absense of nothingness, meaning dissolution. pk
>
>——————————
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:43:33 +0800
>From: peter k
>Subject: Re: have Americans any decency?
>To: Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger
>
>Message-ID:
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=”US-ASCII”
>
>on 28/7/06 1:44 AM, Anthony Crifasi at crifasi at agapeinternet.com wrote:
>
> > Alright I’ll bite.
> >
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: “peter k”
> >
> >
> >> To all concerned, what is now happenning in the middle east is morally
> >> repuugnant and quite obviously wrong. America, the superpower that is
> >> supposed to represent ‘freedom’ and ‘human rights’ is purposively
>driving
> >> what is becoming a war of annihilation. The ‘idea’ of Israel as a
>country
> >> only for Jews is racial politics at its worst. Indigenous peoples MUST
>be
> >> allowed to occupy and vote in their own country. Being European and
> >> belonging to (what seems to me) a wierd Judaeic cult, that has at its
> >> center
> >> a concept of ‘race’ (equally as repugnant as NAZI Aryan ideology, and
> >> equally as flawed) does not, I repeat NOT give you the right to steal
> >> someone else’s country. The Holocaust does not NOT justify the idea of
> >> ‘Israel’. Zionism has its roots planted in history long before the
> >> holocaust
> >> took place, and is no more than wealthy Europeans and Americans
>stealing
> >> someone elses country, and enslaving its idigenous inhabitants. Also,
>you
> >> do
> >> NOT have the right to annihilate another race to ensure the survival of
> >> your
> >> own. The fact that Australian soldiers spent ten long years fighting
>what
> >> was obviously (obvious to anyone but a thick American) a really stupid
>war
> >> in Vietnam now makes me want to puke. I say again, have you people
> >> (Americans) no decency?
> >
> > Then I won’t refer to Americans. Instead, I’ll refer to the thousands
>upon
> > thousands of Vietnamese boat people who had to cross oceans in rafts
>because
> > too many Americans thought their war was a really stupid war to be in,
>as
> > well as the two million Cambodians who died afterwards due to the domino
> > effect that was never supposed to happen. And now the same people
>project
> > the same thick, stupid template upon Israel.
> >
> > But I’ll chalk it up to those drugs you’ve been bragging about.
> >
> >> It is always easy to do the ‘right’ (moral) thing,
> >> but ‘hard’ to do the wrong (immoral) thing,
> >
> > I thought ethics was meaningless to you? Those drugs making you a bit
> > schizo?
> >
> >> yet you yanks seem to have it
> >> down to a fine art- like sucking cock for money. England is equally
> >> spineless. I can assure you the majority of Australian would like to
>see
> >> the
> >> Israeli’s taught a lesson in CASUALTIES. It only remains now to see
> >> whether,
> >> France and Germany, (hamstrung by the ‘holocaust’) have the guts to to
>do
> >> something. Must we now turn to Russia and China to do what is right.
> >
> > don’t know - why don’t you ask the thousands of falun gong they’ve
>killed?
> >
> >> The
> >> Islamic world MUST be returned to the Islamic semitic peoples to
> >> re-balance
> >> the ‘world order’ even if this means the end of Israel and the
> >> repatriation
> >> of its loony violent population back to Europe and America from whence
>it
> >> came. I say again, to any person with any sense of decency this is
>fucking
> >> obvious.
> >
> > “decency”? I thought we weren’t supposed to expect that from you? Oh
>that’s
> > right:
> >
> >> p.s to anyone whom happens not to agree with me - ‘fuck you’
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > heidegger at soca.ecu.edu.au
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>some of what I write Anthony is pure fiction depending on how I feel,
>whether I’m having a pshychotic episode from days without sleeps 5-6 or so,
>I get a bit punchy, punch-drunk I mean. But I stand by everything that I
>wrote regarding the war in thee middle east. I ask you simply where are the
>voices for moderation and political balance coming from in America-
>nowhere.
>The Chinese, the fucking Chinese more or less reiterated exactly what I
>have
>stated in my post. If they can see that what is happening in the Middle
>East
>is wrong, why cant your average American- are you all so drunk on ‘God’?
>
>I say again it is always easy to do what is right, hard to do what is
>wrong,
>immoral. I won’t include the ‘fuck you’ p.s this time because I absolutely
>stand by my previous post. If you cant see what is developing in the Middle
>East- a war of annihilation, a war born of race politics at its most
>insane,
>then ‘God’ help us all.
>
>pk
>
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