Heidegger

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From: “Anthony Crifasi”
To: “Discussions pertaining to the philosophy of Martin Heidegger”

Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: Heidegger Email List?

> —– Original Message —–
> From: “bob scheetz”
>
>
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: “Anthony Crifasi”
> >>
> >> Passionate exhortation is not the same as philosophically preserving
the
> >> existential essence of moral outrage. For example, this is what Marx
> > himself
> >> says about whether morality is to be “preserved”:
> >>
> >> “‘Undoubtedly,’ it will be said, ‘religious, moral, philosophical and
> >> juridical ideas have been modified in the course of historical
> > development.
> >> But religion, morality philosophy, political science, and law,
constantly
> >> survived this change. There are, besides, eternal truths, such as
> >> Freedom,
> >> Justice, etc. that are common to all states of society. But Communism
> >> abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality,
> >> instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in
> >> contradiction to all past historical experience.’ What does this
> > accusation
> >> reduce itself to? The history of all past society has consisted in the
> >> development of class antagonisms, antagonisms that assumed different
> >> forms
> >> at different epochs. But whatever form they may have taken, one fact is
> >> common to all past ages, viz., the exploitation of one part of society
by
> >> the other. No wonder, then, that the social consciousness of past ages,
> >> despite all the multiplicity and variety it displays, moves within
> >> certain
> >> common forms, or general ideas, which cannot completely vanish except
> >> with
> >> the total disappearance of class antagonisms.”
> >>
> >> Among the forms of social consciousness listed, which will “completely
> >> vanish with the total disapearance of class antagonisms,” is
“morality.”
> >> Lots of passionate exhortation, though. I think the phrase healanthenry
> >> used to use was, “empty protest.”
> >
> > you’d better re-read your marx qoute. hen would have had a drollery,
but
> > i
> > think you just shot yer bolt with the weapon pointed the wrong way.
>
> ??
> the first part’s an objection set in quotes - that communism “acts in
> contradiction to past historical experience” because it “abolishes all
> religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis”
as
> was the case throughout all history…. and his answer: that religion,
> morality and such have always existed throughout history precisely because
> class exploitation has always existed; therefore when the latter
disappears,
> the former will “completely vanish”. Hence, no preservation of morality at
> all. How’s that pointed the wrong way?

coz it’s utopian, the issue is logically mooted, same as no morality in
heaven. and it in no way descredits marx’s solidarity with the oppressed
and rage, your against the bully-boys, your ‘empty protest.

Posted on Monday, July 31st, 2006 at 12:20 pm
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