Heidegger

In a message dated 25/10/2006 20:56:12 GMT Standard Time,
_bookwright at bogvaerker.dk_ (mailto:bookwright@bogvaerker.dk) writes: In a message dated
23/10/2006 23:15:57 GMT Standard Time, _bookwright at bogvaerker.dk_
(mailto:bookwright@bogvaerker.dk) writes:

ABDASSAMAD CLARKE:
More pertinent to our age if not to philosophy or Heidegger is that in 1948
an Englishman of such a sort who was always diametrically opposed to
right-wing movements, seeing the outcome of the defeat of the fascist tyrannies, sat
down to write what he saw as the reality of his current situation by adopting
the device of science fiction writers in talking about a then-remote future,
naming his book 1984. Now we are seeing the emergence of the totalitarianism
about which he wrote, which ironically is built on the defeat of the Nazis.
Jud, it is all very well to thrash the living daylights out of a dead lion,
but what about the dog that is right now at our throats? Abdassamad Clarke

JUD EVANS:
You mean the moronic alchoholic born-again-idiot in the Shite House and the
bloody-handed Christian smiler-with-the-knife in number 10? They and the human
dross with which they have surrounded themselves are FINISHED - just a
matter of time before they are out on their arses. History will call them failures
- us moderns will call them filth.

ABDASSAMAD CLARKE:
You trivialise it into a matter of personalities as you do with Heidegger.

JUD EVANS:
Well, you began the trivialisation with your talk of: *the dog that is right
now at our throats.* Who does the word *dog* refer to? If a human - which
human? Bush? Blair? Or is your choice of the epithet *dog* in reference to
*western capitalism and its culture? If so do you attribute this *property* of
the genus canis to ALL westerners [or non-Muslims] who dwell in those areas
where capitalism is this dreadful economic and social system - and if it IS so
awful, why do all the Muslims from Pakistan and all points east flock here, and
queue for weeks sometimes months to get an entry visa? In some of our towns
nowadays you would swear you had arrived in Hydrabad or Islamabad other than
for the familiar and reassuring street furniture and Fish and Chip shops. If
you DO mean this *blanket condemnation* then you are in tune with a leading
Afghani Muhajadeen, who said on British TV a few nights ago that ALL
westerners are now targets for assassination, irrespective of WHO they are - soldiers
- civilians - tourists or even innocent people going about their business in
their HOME countries, for it was they including (1.54m the Muslim population
of Britain] who voted the governments responsible for the foreign
interventions into power. Are the British Muslims excused from this slaughter because
they pray in a Mosque rather than a Church? Do you include them ALL in your
sweeping description of our populations as *the dog that is right now at our
throats?*

Is this YOUR position too? Straight answer please.

ABDASSAMAD CLARKE:
No. That is not my position. I usually hesitate when asked to assent to or
deny a set of propositions, but I have here to make it quite clear that this is
not what I am talking about. I also thought that you might have known from
our correspondence so far that this is not my position.

JUD EVANS:
You say that WHAT is not *your position? Who are your DOGS? Let’s have a
straight answer. If they are *certain people* who are they?
The leaders? If so why did you say of me: *You trivialise it into a matter
of personalities.

You have TRAPPED yourself now, because if you ansewer *individuals* your ad
hom against me as * a trivialiser* fails. I if you say it is the people of
the west and our *culture* then you paint yourself as just another fanatic.

ABDASSAMAD CLARKE:
Indeed, I would relish your participation in some kind of investigation as
to the nature of the dog and ways to prevent our all being consumed by it. Or
perhaps you think that this increasingly polarised age is not dangerous for us
all. When I said “our” throats, I meant yours and mine. But why is it that
you cannot “read” that but launch into a diatribe?

JUD EVANS:
My eyesight and my judgement are in first class shape as I keep being told
in university. Don’t try and play dialectical ring-a-roses with me

The definition asked of you was the identity of your DOG not of US as the
THROATS!!!!!

You must think I was born yesterday to try crude word-swopping like that.

Read what you wrote originally - think upon it - and remember that you are
the master of the unspoken word, but the spoken word is the master of you -
what you said is in the archives now, and so it will remain into the long
distant future.

What is that you say? You were not referring to the whole population - you
were referring to the leaders? Well that is WHAT YOU accused me of isn’t it?
You can’t have it both ways - who do you want killed? All of us? Some of
us? Or just our leaders?

ABDASSAMAD CLARKE:
Jud, you are a hysteric. Why don’t you calm down somewhat. It is an age that
calls for calmness, because we will see where people are being swept by
hysteria all too soon. Have I called for the killing of anyone, in this exchange
or in any other?

JUD EVANS:
AND YOUR ANSWER? Where is it? A Hominem is no escape - I am used to it and
whoever reads your words will have already got your message.

ABDASSAMAD CLARKE:
Orwell saw it in 1948. It was already in motion then with the defeat of the
Nazis. What is more alarming with respect to the above personalities (or lack
of personalities) is that the opposition have the same agendas and will keep
all the same totalitarian legislation which is already law. You are blind to
all that in your railing against the wrongs of the past and the mistakes of
the great. You are blind to the total corruption of our media and political
institutions with double-speak and the culture of total lying now in place. You
are right, that accidental figures like B & B will be swept away those who
replace them, but what is more sinister is the culture of lying and control
that is in place irrespective of who sits in power.

JUD EVANS:
You are making silly assumptions. Of COURSE I am not blind to the total
corruption of our governments media or the governments and media of the middle
east and political institutions with double-speak and the culture of total lying
now in place - but they are a damn sight better than the theocratic regimes
of the middle east, where they stone women to death for having a bit of
knookie on the side, and cut off the hands of theives, AND kill anybody who
converts to Christianity.

Unlike the representative of the Muhajadeen I am not in favour of condemning
the whole of the population of Germany for the Nazi atrocities - I hold THE
LEADERS responsible, and Heidegger was a prominent activist and organiser
with a far higher profile than most. Also he is on record as calling for the
anhiliation of the Jews, and there is no evidence that most of the population of
the Reich even knew that it was going on - though many must hae guessed.

ABDASSAMAD CLARKE:
You use a kind of dialectical approach in which if I am not saying something
in agreement with you then I must be saying the thing that you deplore, but
perhaps there are other options. The corruption of the media and government,
theocratic or otherwise, is not my point. Rather, why is it that almost
everyone seems hell-bent on another world war? Why at every point do people
ratchet up the rhetoric and inflame things? Why all this bellicosity? Why is it
that at each step the state enlarges its domain and encroaches more and more on
the territory that used to be the free man’s preserve? Why did the Allies
defeat the Nazis and then go one step, indeed many steps, further than them?

JUD EVANS:
Why did Saddam attack Iran - because of the evil west? ? Why did the
Pakistanis and the Indians slaughter each other on the borders of Kashmir - because
of the evil west? Why did the North Koreans attack the South - because of the
evil west? Why did the North Vietmanese attack the South -because of the
evil west? ? Why did Russia attack Chechnya - because of the evil west? Why is
Sudan murdering millions - because of the evil west? Why did the Tutsi get
slaughtered in their millions by the Hutu majority - because of the evil west?
Why did Inndonesia attack the people of one of its own islands - because of the
evil west?

Want some more wars that are the fault of your mysterious undefined and
unidentified westerns dogs - the identity of whom perhaps you can grace us with
in your next post?

Well some below are wars of independance from the west I agree - but do you
honestly think that had it been the Middle East that grew to economic power
and military dominance rather than the west - that that would have stopped the
Muslim tide from sweeping across the west completely istead of being stopped
at the walls of Krakow?

x ALGERIA
1954-1962 war of independence

1992- civil war and civilian unrest x ANGOLA
1961-1975 war of independence

1975- 2002 civil war, power struggle for natural resources x BURUNDI
1972 massacre

1988- ethnic conflict continuing despite peace process

CAMEROON
1955-1960 war of independence

CHAD
1980-1987, 1990-1995 civil war and factional struggles x CONGO-Brazzaville
1993-1995, 1997- ethnic violence and aftermath x CONGO DR
1960 - 65 political and ethnic violence

1998 - civil war, some moves towards peace

DJIBUTI
1991 regional civil war x ERITREA
1998-2002 interstate war x ETHIOPIA
1998-2002 interstate war

ETHIOPIA and ERITREA
1998-2002 interstate war

GHANA
1981, 1994 ethnic disputes

GUINEA-BISSAU
1962-1974 war of independence

1998-1999 civil war and aftermath

IVORY COAST
2002 civil war

KENYA
1952-1963 war of independence

1990- ethnic violence

LIBERIA
1985-1988 coup reprisal killings

1990-1996 civil war and aftermath

2000- rebel insurgency and cross-border conflicts

LIBYA
1996 civil war

MADAGASCAR
1947-1948 war of independence

MALI
1990-1995 regional civil war

MOROCCO
1953-1956 war of independence

MOZAMBIQUE
1965-1975 war of independence

1981-1992 famine and civil war x NAMIBIA

NIGER
1991- regional civil war x NIGERIA
1997 - recurrent ethnic, religious and political conflict x RWANDA
1956-1965, 1992,

ethnic conflict and aftermath

1994-1995 ethnic conflict and aftermath x SENEGAL
1960-2001 separatist conflict x SIERRA LEONE
1991-1996, 1997- 2001 civil war and aftermath x SOMALIA
1988- civil war and factional struggles

SOUTH AFRICA
1976 civilian uprising

1983-1994 political violence

SUDAN
1963-1972, 1984 - civil war

TOGO
1991

TUNISIA
1952-1954 war of independence x UGANDA
1966 ethnic unrest

1971-1979 brutal dictatorship

1981-1987 civil war

1990- rebel/ethnic violence

WESTERN SAHARA
1975-87 unresolved war of independence

ZAMBIA
1964 ethnic and political conflict

ZIMBABWE
1972-1979 political conflict

1983 - 1984 political and ethnic violence

SOUTH ASIA

AFGHANISTAN
1978- civil war; recurrent international involvement

BANGLADESH
1971 political war

INDIA
1946-1948 civil/sectarian/political war

1947- recurrent territorial dispute in Kashmir

1962 border war (China)

1971 border war (Pakistan)

1983- ethnic/sectarian/political violence

KASHMIR
1947- recurrent territorial dispute

PAKISTAN
1947- recurrent territorial dispute in Kashmir

1990s ethnic/sectarian/political violence

SRI LANKA
1984- civil war

CENTRAL ASIA

ARMENIA
1988-1994 separatist/interstate war (ceasefire only)

AZERBAIJAN
1988-1994 separatist/interstate war (ceasefire only)

GEORGIA
1992-1994 separatist wars (ceasefire only)

1994-2001 continuing conflict

TAJIKISTAN
1992-1997 ethnic/political civil war and aftermath

SOUTH-EAST ASIA

BURMA
1948- political and ethnic struggle

CAMBODIA
1970 -1979 civil and interstate wars

CHINA
1946 - 1989 political and interstate wars

INDONESIA
1945 - 1949 war of independence

1965-1966 suppression of coup

INDONESIA : ACEH
1980s independence struggle

NDONESIA: EAST TIMOR
1975 - 1999 independence struggle

INDONESIA: IRIAN JAYA (WEST PAPUA)
1969 - independence struggle

INDONESIA: MOLUCCAS (MALUKU)
1999 - 2002 sectarian violence

KOREA
1950 - 1953 civil/political war

LAOS
1960 - 1973 civil/political war

MALAYSIA
1948 - 1957 civil/ethnic war

PAPUA NEW GUINEA
1988 - 1997 secessionist war

PHILIPPINES
1971- civil/sectarian war

TAIWAN
1947 - 1949 civil/political war

TIBET
1950 - 1951, 1956 - 1959 political war

VIETNAM
1946 - 1954 independence war

1954 - 1975 civil/political war

1978 - 1979 interstate war

1987 interstate border war regards,

MIDDLE EAST

CYPRUS 1974 civil war; invasion and aftermath

EGYPT 1956 interstate war
1967-1970 interstate war

IRAN 1978-1979 political violence
1980-1988 interstate war

IRAQ 1959 ethnic conflict
1961-1970 ethnic conflict
1980-1988 interstate war
1988 ethnic conflict
1990- interstate war; ethnic conflict

ISRAEL 1948-1949 interstate/ethnic/political war
1956 interstate war
1967-1970 interstate war
1973 interstate war
1982- interstate war; political/ethnic violence

JORDAN 1970 political war

KUWAIT 1990 interstate war

LEBANON 1975-1990 civil war
1992- 2000 icivil war/interstate war

SYRIA 1982 political war

YEMEN 1962-1969 civil war
1986-1987 civil war
1994 separatis

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