Heidegger

In a message dated 29/07/2007 02:43:36 GMT Standard Time,
_tgeorgescu at home.nl_ (mailto:tgeorgescu@home.nl) writes:

Bernard:
Tudor; Your statement makes you very much a part of politics. Sincerely,
Bernard

Tudor:
It took me some time to find the answer to this objection.

Naisbitt (in Megatrends or Megatrends 2000) said that “we have leadership,
but there is no followership”. I have to say that in the Western world there is
an inflation of leadership. Too much activism. Too many grassroots movements
which try to change the world for the better. Too many conflicting and
confusing issues.

So, my answer would be a refusal to engage in political activism. Someone
who does not believe that his/her political issue is (eventually) worth the
death of a million persons, he/she is not fit to be a politician. So, the people
who don’t want blood on their hands, they should abstain from politics.

Jud:
Surely the rationale should lead you to an abstention from religion - not
politics? Religion is the cause and motivation for the death , slavery and
despair that has taken and still takes place around the world. If the Hebrew
religionists were not so religiously obsessed with their *Holy Land* they would
not have streamed back to Palestine and renamed as much of possible of it as
*Israel* and displaced the Moslem religionists. If the Christians were not
so obsessed with their fantasies they would not have been so cruel to the Jews
of Europe, and sparked off the resentment which led to the professed
Christian Hitler to initiate the worst crime by a Christian society in history -
the holocaust.

The Islamists have quite openly stated that they wish to install a world
wide Caliphate - the Hindus slaughtered millions of Moslems during the partition
of India and vice versa. The death count in Northern Ireland
Protestant-Catholic assassinations during the troubles has been horrific. Since
1969, the provincial death toll has grown to about 3500 in an area whose
population is only about 1.6 million. A comparable relative death toll in
America would be about 560,000. In Slavery A World History, Milton Meltzer
estimates that 10 million slaves arrived in the Christian Americas. This would be
the residue after 12.5% of those shipped out from Africa died on the ocean,
4-5% died while waiting in harbour, and 33% died during the first year of
seasoning. Ronald Segal, in Islam’s Black Slaves, estimates the total number of
African slaves shipped to the religious Muslim world at 11.5M-14M. He goes on…
How many people died in all the slave harvesting by Moslems over the
centuries? I hesitate to estimate, but I think we can safely assume that at least 3
people died for every 2 living slaves delivered (similar to the death rate in
the Atlantic trade), which comes to about 19M deaths.

Biblical Atrocities Exodus 32: 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for
worshipping the golden calf. Numbers 31: After killing all men, boys and married
women among the Midianites, 32,000 virgins remain as booty for the Israelites.
(If unmarried girls are a quarter of the population, then 96,000 people were
killed.) Joshua: Joshua 8: 12,000 men and women, all the people of Ai, killed.
Joshua 10: Joshua completely destroys Gibeon (”larger than Ai”), Makeddah,
Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. “He left no survivors.” Joshua 11: Hazor
destroyed. [Paul Johnson, A History of the Jews (1987), estimates the
population of Hazor at ? 50,000] TOTAL: if Ai is average, 12,000 x 9 =
108,000 killed. Judges 1: 10,000 Canaanites k. at Battle of Bezek. Jerusalem
and Zephath destroyed. Judges 3: ca. 10,000 Moabites k. at Jordan River.
Judges 8: 120,000 Midianite soldiers k. by Gideon Judges 20: Benjamin attacked
by other tribes. 25,000 killed.
1 Samuel 4: 4,000 Isrealites killed at 1st Battle of Ebenezer/Aphek. 30,000
Isr. k. at 2nd battle. David:
2 Samuel 8: 22,000 Arameans of Damascus and 18,000 Edomites killed in 2
battles.
2 Samuel 10: 40,000 Aramean footsoldiers and 7,000 charioteers killed at
Helam.
2 Samuel 18: 20,000 Israelites under Absalom killed at Ephraim.
1 Kings 20: 100,000 Arameans killed by Israelites at Battle of Aphek.
Another 27,000 killed by collapsing wall.
2 Chron 13: Judah beat Israel and inflicted 500,000 casualties.
2 Chron 25: Amaziah, king of Judah, k. 10,000 from Seir in battle and
executed 10,000 POWs. Discharged Judean soldiers pillaged and killed 3,000.
2 Chron 28: Pekah, king of Israel, slew 120,000 Judeans TOTAL: That comes to
about 1,283,000 mass killings specifically enumerated in the Bible. The
battle of
2_Chron_13 is so much larger than all the others that we probably should
doubt it. David Barrett, Todd Johnson, Justin Long World Christian Encyclopedia
(2001): This book is the standard reference work for religious statistics of
all kinds, and both Britannica and the World Almanac cite from it. It has a
single page  http://gem-werc.org/gd/gd16.pdf] estimating the number of martyrs
since the origin of each religion: Muslim martyrs: 80M Christian martyrs:
70M
20th Century: 45.4M At the hands of… Atheists: 31,689,000 Muslims
9,121,000 Ethnoreligionists: 7,469,000 Christians: 5,538,000 Quasi-religionists
2,712,000 Mahayana Buddhists: 1,651,000 Hindus: 676,000 Zoroastrians: 384,000
Hindu martyrs: 20M Buddhist martyrs: 10M Jewish: 9M Ethnoreligious: 6M Sikh: 2M
Baha’i: 1M Other religious martyrs: 5M The book defines martyrs as Believers
in Christ (U. O. N.) Who have lost their lives Prematurely In situations of
witness As a result of human hostility. World Christian Trends by Barrett et
al: Apparently this book gives more details about martyrdom statistics, but so
far, I haven’t found it in a library (even our local seminary), and I can’t
afford to buy it myself. (But see _http://gem-werc.org/gd/listings.pdf_
 http://gem-werc.org/gd/listings.pdf) ) Here are some of the major episodes that
I’ve been able to scrounge from websites and articles. Some of my sources have
been somewhat ambiguous in their wording, so I honestly don’t know whether
they mean to say that the Amerindians and Baghdadians, for example, are meant as
Christian martyrs or Muslim or Shamanist, or whether the various subclasses
who died at Soviet or Nazi hands are already included in the largest number
or meant to be added to it. Martyrdom at Soviet hands:
1921-50: 15M Christians in prison camps
1950-80: 5M Christians in prison camps Orthodox: 14.5M k. by Stalin, 2.7M of
them martyrs (1929-37) Roman Catholics (1925): 1.2M martyrs By Mongols
1214: Genghiz Khan massacres 6M Christians: 4M martyrs
1214: Diocese of Herat sacked by Genghiz Khan: 1M
1258: massacre in Baghdad by Hulaku Khan: 1.1M
1358: Tamerlane destroys 15-million-strong Nestorians: 4M martyrs
Conquistadors kill 15 million Amerindians: 2M martyrs (1560) Christians executed by
Nazis in death camps: 1M Nazis exterminate 0.5M Gypsies Khmer Rouge slaughter 2M
(1975) Kurds massacre 20,000 Nestorians (1843) Massacre of 40,000 Vietnamese
Catholics (1970) The Ottawa Citizen (20 Dec. 1998)
15M Christians d. in Soviet prison camps because of their faith. citing Paul
Marshall, Their Blood Cries Out ca. 400,000 Chinese Christians died during
the Cultural Revolution. ca. 100,000 Christians killed by Idi Amin (out of
300,000 total k.) Up to 500,000 Rwandan Christians died as witnesses to their
faith (out of 700,000 total k.) (1994) The Ottawa Citizen (6 Feb. 1993) Citing
D. Barret, Our Globe and How to Reach It
40M Christians martyred throughout history. ca. 24M by secular governments
and atheists ca. 8M k. by other Christians The bottom line?

Jud:
The bottom line?

I think your analysis is way out of line. It is religion that is the evil in
our midst, not politics - politics is the handmaiden of religion - look at
Bush - look at the Christian Catholic reptile Blair… look wherever you like.

Next time you see headlines in the newspaper like: *AMERICANS ATTACK
BAGDAD,* just stick the nauseous adjective of qualification *Christian* in front of
the sentence thus: *CHRISTIAN AMERICANS ATTACK BAGDADI MOSLEMS*. Why?
Because USA is a Christian state where 224,457,000 or 85% of the population are
believing Christians. Then there is: *RUSSIA ATTACKS CHECHNIA*. this should
read: *CHRISTIAN RUSSIA ATTACKS MOSLEM CHECHNIA* Why? Because Russia is a
Christian state, where 80,000,000 or 60% of the population are believing
Christians.

Get wise -your eyes are clouded with incense - your tastes contaminated with
communion wine, and your belly poisoned with consecrated bread that
represents the dead human meat of Christ’s purifying body.

Regards,

Jud

Posted on Sunday, July 29th, 2007 at 11:05 am
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