Heidegger

Tudor, there is a third possibility: that everything does not come from
(originate from, caused/determined by, created by/from, etc) anything; that
everything just *is* and does not ‘need’ a ‘reason’ or ‘origin’ or ’source
of creation’, etc, to just be? That, of course, begs the question of what
and how (the) everything (ta panta) is that it not require a starter
(arche)… Perhaps the arche accompanies (comes along) ta panta rather than
sits nicely at some starting gate.

regards

michaelP

> Well, creatio ex nihilo is NOT what the Bible says. Genesis 1:2 says there
> was a deep of waters (there it does not mean H2O; it means spirit). Genesis
> 1:1 precedes this scripturally, but it could very well be the introduction
> (title) to Genesis 1:2-5 or for the whole book of Genesis.
>
> 2 Peter 3:5 may be seen as indicating that skies and earth came from
> primordial waters (not H2O, again), e.g. in The Message version. If by
> “heavens” we do not mean the firmament, but high energetic levels (spiritual
> realm), and by “earth” we understand “matter”, then all matter came from
> “waters”, i.e. spirit (God is Spirit and the Word, the Concept is a spirit).
>
> Acts 17:28 does imply that the Creation is a part of God; therefore God
> (Spirit) made the world out of His Spiritual Substance.
>
> Therefore creation out of nothing it is not a Biblical doctrine. It can very
> well be a churchly doctrine, if by church we understand that association of
> hypocritical and exploitive scribes who pretend to speak for God.
>
> So, basically, it is science which claims that world came out of nothing
> (Big Bang). That must have been a very peculiar nothing, since it was full
> of the laws of mathematical physics, which the nothing understood to obey
> since the moment of Big Bang till forever and ever. Therefore, that nothing
> was full with something (mathematical laws, thus full with spirit, since
> mathematical laws belong to the spirit).
>
> Either the world came out of nothing, or it came from God. Since it is very
> probable (i.e. we may consider it sure) that if there is a God, He expressed
> Himself in the Bible, and the Bible refuses the creatio ex nihilo, there is
> no third possibility, therefore it is no false dilemma. I stated above the
> reasons why the world cannot come out of nothing, so it must come from God,
> from His Own Substance.

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