Heidegger

In a message dated 31/05/2007 01:11:45 GMT Standard Time, Bernx at aol.com
writes:

In a message dated 5/30/2007 11:31:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
GEVANS613 at aol.com writes:

Among European philosophers, Heidegger’s contemptuous idiocy would remain
unrivaled until Jean Baudrillard’s quip about the World Trade Center’s former
workers that “the horror for the 4,000 victims of dying in those towers was
inseparable from the horrors of living in them — the horror of living and
working in sarcophagi of concrete and steel.”
That, Jud, expresses much of the sentiment of the new “Democratic” left in
the USA, now opting to reinstate a vast Federal bureacracy in the coming
Presidential elections (Nov. 2008).

Jud:
I would have thought that ANY KIND of government is better that the one you
poor Americans are lumbered with right now?
I have heard that your press is more or less in the pockets of big business
and you only get told what they want you to know - but surely it must have
perculated through to you guys that America is more or less held in contempt by
the rest of the world for the first time in my lifetime anyway.
Bush is an absolute laughing-stock and is the butt of just about every
comedy show from John O’Groats to Vladivostock.

You are right about the stupid remarks regarding the WTC though, but in
fairness to the writer of the article he was quoting other and agreed with you
and I on the matter.

Bernard:

But this would merely be a case of overcompensated doubt insofar as the twin
towers were citadels of international bureacratic totalism: private,
corporate and governmental. Back in 1970 I lived a few blocks north of the WTC
building site and down in the SoHo (South of Houston Street). I watched it go up
andI was astounded, day by day, as I realized it was not being built with
heavy steel
i-beam girders but lightweight steel trusses. “The wind is going to blow it
down” I said to my young Harvard (Ratclif) lady companion who, as a country
girl suffered from both acrophobia and agoraphobia working in the Big Apple
and lving with me, a native New Yorker. My remark terrified her and so it was
decided that we get the hell out of NYC and move upstate to the Catskills.
What I didn’t fathom at the time was that the towers were designed qua planed
obsolesence and when the time came would neatly collapse like an accordine with
very little mess, expense and labor. Engineer Bin Ladin figured this out and
saw an opportunity to do in the real Muslim enemy, the bureacratic
super-structure of Western Society and the USSR.

Jud:
I am truly amazed that the building regulations were not followed in the
case of the WTC? Either the rules have been flouted or the rules have been
changed - which is it do you know? America led the world with its tall buildings
why was/were this building[s] being amongst the most prominent and largest on
the NY skyline allowed to be Jerry-built? Are not the directors of the firm
of architects due to be arrested? Did not the Mohawk scaffolders complain?

Bernard:

The idea was to re-establish the historical Muslim tradition of internecine
tribal warfare in the true jihadist sectarian sense for claim to the proper
expression of Allah. That way of life was being encroached upon by Western
bureacratism, both corporate and govedrnmental since the Ottoman Empire came
to an end after the first World War when fossil fuel oil became premium.

Jud:
Is it not simply that the average Arab in the street wants a better standard
of living and the Zionists stopped from taking over their land - whilst the
extremist Islamicists want to perpetuate the old ways and are hitting out at
the west as the seat of all their woes?

Bernard:

In any case the twin towers had to come down either by Muslim intervention
or as the wish fullfillment of Baudrillard insorfar is it was retained as the
global symbol of the spreading disease of the growing self autonomy of
bureacratic totalism and its control of the tecnological means to a final end.

Jud:
The average western man and woman doesn’t give a shit - the just want white
goods, a new car each year, good education, security and couldn’t care less
who is in power as long as they can get their mitts on the goodies - can you
blame them? What’s that you say? *They are a load of uneducated idiots!*
Well who’s faults that? The west has had 62 years since the Philosopher of
Nazism’s pal’s where strung up at Nuremberg to educate its masses - if they
remain thickos its the various governments fault surely?

Bernard:

This was also the rule of the University systems of “higher” learning. What
is also significant is that if those suicide planes had hit the Empire State
building of the Chrysler Building they would have been severely damaged but
not fall down because built of heavy i-beam girders arranged in box-like
grids. The Empire State building was not overcome by King Kong the cinema symbol
of the time of a recapitulated priaptic archaism, the gigantic prehistoric
ape, Darwinian forebear to petite humans. Komg was simply too big for congress
with his human lady love and the phallic empire state was too big for him.
Quite the opposite wa true forty years later with the maternal twin sisters of
the WTC so that Bin Ladin was in fact the revenge of Kong and which is
irreversible with all the heroics of G.W.Bush and all the King’s men.In any case, I
believe Baudrillard suffers as the man in the iron mask and like yourself,
in the hell of failing bureacratism.

Jud:
King Kong. Twas a great film all and all - bejabers sure it was. I don’t
suffer at all actually - I’ve never been so well off in my life. Apart from
Scissorhands Blair and the Iraq debacle, the record of this present government
has been outstanding. The Blair white-trash will be gone in a couple of
weeks and we will have the Prime Minister that we should have had ten years ago
in 10 Downing Street - the most successful Chancellor this country has ever
had the good fortune to have in that office - Gordon Brown. The working class
can kiss my ass - I’ve got foreman’s job at last [joking]

How beastly the bourgeois is

especially the male of the species–

Presentable, eminently presentable–
shall I make you a present of him?

Isn’t he handsome? Isn’t he healthy? Isn’t he a fine specimen?
Doesn’t he look the fresh clean Englishman, outside?
Isn’t it God’s own image? tramping his thirty miles a day
after partridges, or a little rubber ball?
wouldn’t you like to be like that, well off, and quite the
thing

Oh, but wait!
Let him meet a new emotion, let him be faced with another
man’s need,
let him come home to a bit of moral difficulty, let life
face him with a new demand on his understanding
and then watch him go soggy, like a wet meringue.
Watch him turn into a mess, either a fool or a bully.
Just watch the display of him, confronted with a new
demand on his intelligence,
a new life-demand.

How beastly the bourgeois is
especially the male of the species–

Nicely groomed, like a mushroom
standing there so sleek and erect and eyeable–
and like a fungus, living on the remains of a bygone life
sucking his life out of the dead leaves of greater life
than his own.

And even so, he’s stale, he’s been there too long.
Touch him, and you’ll find he’s all gone inside
just like an old mushroom, all wormy inside, and hollow
under a smooth skin and an upright appearance.

Full of seething, wormy, hollow feelings
rather nasty–
How beastly the bourgeois is!

Standing in their thousands, these appearances, in damp
England
what a pity they can’t all be kicked over
like sickening toadstools, and left to melt back, swiftly
into the soil of England.

Yes, D. H. Lawrence said it so well, but still and all and all bejabers in
spite of the Blairdiomycetous fungi I wake up every morning and thank the
Lord that I was born British I can tell you!

Ja! Mein old mush - Jene britischen Männer - Sie müssen sie bewundern! So
eine kleine Insel–solche ein riesiges Reich!

Sincerely;

Jud.
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